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21 Aug 2010

Fetus Grows a Peripheral Vision (Eyefinity Edition)  Blog by FetusZero,  Category: Computers

Small news here! Although I have quite a bit to say, so grab a coffee or skip this blog if multi-display does not interest you.. or you could simply watch the videos and images to see what I am ranting about ;p

I have finally concluded my rather expensive and secret adventure at having an Eyefinity setup on my computer! Yep, that's right, Eyefinity is within me.. or rather on my desk and it sure is eating up most of the space on it as well. Eyefinity is the name given to a multi-display setup when using ATI hardware, namely my Sapphire Toxic Radeon HD5850. Of course, you can do it with dual monitors, although you would rather have 3 or any other odd number, otherwise you will end up with the monitor's bezels in the middle of your display. Yep, a fetus has opened up his eyes and grown what is known as peripheral vision (I believe), everyone needs to grow up one day, don't we?

I am currently running on a 5760x1080 resolution and let me tell you.. gaming in such a resolution is quite amazing. I can't even think of going back to a regular 16:9 resolution of one monitor, although I don't always have the choice depending on the game I play. Let's take the story from the beginning.

Some of you may have seen my latest created topic in the PC & MAC forum entitled "Multi-Display or 3D?", which of course, hinted at what I was up to at the time. While I have experienced both 3D and multi-display, I found 3D to be an annoyance more than anything over time, to the point where I wish that 3D isn't part of the video game industry's future for too long.. at least until they can refine the technology a little bit. Multi-display though.. now that's something quite useful. Anyone with a dual-monitor setup will know that having more than one display can be useful and, depending on your usage, the more the better.

Being new to ATI and AMD, I decided to check them out and get informed on the different possibilities around them. That's when I learned of the new program called AMD Vision which aims at helping people choose computers, but more importantly, that's when I learned what Eyefinity was. Almost immediately, I tried it out on my own computer despite having only 2 monitors. I first tried it with DiRT 2 as it is ATI Validated for Eyefinity support, and then I tried it with Metro 2033. It took about 5 minutes and I was sold to the technology. Not only does having more monitors provide me with a better interface for video editing (one screen for file manegement, one for the editing, and one for a full screen preview in 1920x1080), but it could provide me with the most immersive technology I had seen in the video game industry in a long time. As humans, we are blessed with a quite impressive peripheral vision, something that was lacking in every single games until now.. When running a game in multi-display, the center monitor will display what you normally see and adds a type peripheral vision, or augments the field of view horizontally on each of the side monitors allowing for a better view all around and a more immersive and realistic 'ambience'. I then wanted to create such an amazing setup, which went a lot faster than I expected..

eyefinity-setup
5760x1080 desktop.

Yes, what you see above is my actual desktop and my icons. Don't bother searching as I do not have any private or adult icons on there, I try to keep my desktop as clean as possible. The icons are displayed on the left-most monitor in reality, and the gadgets on the right-most one. Of course, I can change between a grouped 5760x1080 desktop to 3 or less seperate displays, each at 1920x1080. I used the wallpaper exclusively for this screenshot, as I don't even have it anymore.

Having such a resolution sure comes with problems, as usual, especially on ATI's side. With nVidia, to create what they call a 'Surround display', you need two graphics cards, in which you plug in 3 monitors via DVI. Where ATI eats up nVidia is how you can recreate the same but by using only one graphics card. Indeed, Eyefinity only requires one single GPU, but getting it up and running isn't as simple as using 3 DVI cables.

My own card, the HD5850, comes with 2 DVI-I ports, 1 HDMI and 1 Displayport. Due to the signal used by DVI and HDMI, you cannot use those 3 together to create an Eyefinity setup as it requires too much processing power or something, I'm not quite the expert, but I do know it has something to do with the signals used for DVI and HDMI. This means that you are required to use the Displayport by one of two recommended ways: With a native monitor that supports Displayport, or by using an Active Displayport to DVI adapter (passive ones don't work). This seems easy, but such adapter costs around $100 and up.. doesn't sound that much attractive now, does it? The worst is that a simple research on Internet shows that the vast majority of people experience problems with these adapters, whether it is the monitor now powering up, staying in sleep mode or flickering on and off endlessly. Oh noes!

Worry not! There is a fix, of course, as this flickering (that I personally experienced) seems to be caused by ATI's drivers. Going back to Catalyst 10.3 fixed my problem partially.. The flickering was gone, but the drivers themselves gave me a bunch of errors. In my endless search to a fix for the problem, I decided to try out something else.. something that is not validated by AMD: Displayport to VGA adapters. They cost around $20 to $30, much more appealling than our beautiful $100 adapter which doesn't work 90% of the time. What does it come with, though? Nothing but success. Of course, VGA cables don't offer the higher resolutions that DVI cables can achieve, but it sure can deliver some nice 1920x1080, which is the exact resolution for each of my monitors. Some say there is a quality loss in the image, but I honestly can't see any difference at all between the monitor hooked up to the DP to VGA adapter and the 2 other ones with DVI. My current setup:

Left monitor: DVI-D
Center monitor: DVI-D
Right monitor: Displayport to VGA

That`s pretty much it. I have my Eyefinity setup running flawlessly on the latest drivers and it looks marvelous. Some people believe that there is almost no games supporting it, but truth is, most of the games out there do support multi-display. For example, I have no problems playing Metro 2033 or Sniper: Ghost Warrior in 5760x1080, both of which are not validated or Eyefinity Ready. Even Aquaria, which is an independent release, can be played in this resolution. Some games have problems though, such as Borderlands, which does not scale correctly and cuts the top and bottom of the image, but otherwise most games I have will play perfectly fine using it. It is quite expensive, however, since you need 3 monitors, but overall I feel satisfied and definitely can`t think of going back to a simple monitor for PC gaming.

here I have 2 videos of DiRT 2, one recorded with FRAPs and the other with my camera, which means it is of an awful quality. I strongly apologize for the one recorded with FRAPs as apparently, the song playing in the game is blocked by YouTube, therefore they removed the audio from it. As for the one with the camcorder, you will notice that my left screen is different than the two others and rather slow in resolution changes after being turned on for a long time.. I do have plans on changing it eventually, but for the time being I spent enough money on this lol. Thanks for reading! (if you did).


DiRT 2 - Small Stunts (5760x1080)


DiRT 2 - Three Times The Size (Eyefinity)

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saranda

on Aug 28, 2010

i loved that,very nice one...wow i have 200 tft in my warehouse, and i have never thought to do smth like that ...maybe i shall try ..XD

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FetusZero

on Aug 24, 2010

@Sleven: Of course I did :] You know I'm not rich, but I get rather.. impatient when it comes to something I really want o_O This ends up in giving me some really nice and big bills these last months lol. Good thing I'm not that bad when it comes to saving money.

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Sleven

on Aug 23, 2010

You are crazier than I could think. You really bought another monitor for fulfilling your fantasy. But I can't deny that it looked as cool as PC game could have. Damn it.

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FetusZero

on Aug 23, 2010

@kelaidis @BrunoBRS @David_D @RON @Xiao @Koshai

Kelaidis: Here's my monitors:

Left: 24" (full HD 1920x1080) LCD - ASUS VW246
Center & Right: 23" (full HD 1920x1080) LED - LG E2350

That's why one of the monitors doesn't have the same colors lol. The reason I have one 24" is because I bought the LG later to replace my old HP monitor, and I found 24" to be a bit too big, so I went with a 23" LED lit display. After experiencing the greatness of LED lit monitors, I bought the same for my third monitor. I expect to change my ASUS to the same LG sometime this year (anyway the ASUS one has an extremely slow resolution change when it's been turned on for a long time).

Bruno: lol yep, 3 monitors, but yep.. it is overkill for some people, there's a guy that thinks the same at my job lol, the difference is that even though he knows a lot about computers, he doesn't seem to understand the fact that a large display cannot offer the same high resolution of multiple monitors, so his basic response was "why not hook your PC to your HDTV instead?" well duh..

David: My sister doesn't live here anymore ;p and as far as I know, she doesn't have any cute friends lol.. except the girlfriend of the guy who lives with her and her boyfriend.. now thatgirl is rather cute! She's taken though.. but that shouldn't stop anyone >_>

Ron: For dual monitors you only need one card whether it is ATI or nVidia since they all have dual-DVI ouputs (except maybe really old cards, but I wasn't into PC back then so I wouldn't know). All that's left is to plug in one monitor in each of the DVI outputs and you get yourself a nice dual-monitor setup.

It isn't that it's literally more problematic.. it's just that by using an Active Displayport to DVI adapter, most people experiences problems, but the 'setup' itself is easier than using two cards. What makes nVidia less problematic is that you do need 2 cards, but the setup comes problems-free as far as I'm aware lol.

I'll try to get some footage of an FPS or any other type of game for you while in Eyefinity. I had Metro 2033 which would be great to show but I uninstalled it yesterday as I finished my second playthrough, but I might just reinstall it for the purpose ;p

Xiao: Well now you just did ;p and it won't be the last time, I need to get some more footage for Ron lol.

Koshai: Make sure that all monitors have the same resolution though, as otherwise when in Eyefinity (grouped as one single display), you'll have to keep a monitor at a lower resolution than it can support. The best is to literally have 3 times the exact same monitor. Definitely look and read into it before too, and I highly recommend using a Displayport to VGA adapter, if your monitors are good you won't notice the quality loss (it was awful on my ASUS, but I can't tell the difference when it's on my LG) and it's a LOT cheaper than an Active Displayport to DVI adapter. Plus, while I had problems with the Active adapter, I didn't have any with the VGA one.

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Koshai

on Aug 23, 2010

I have two monitors and I need another one!!! Also I need to buy a 5 series card. Omg!! I am sold after watching the video. Although I definitely like to have the feature where Eyefinity can help you in production work and in other software other then games, but this thing is tempting me a lot.

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Xiao

on Aug 23, 2010

I never seen one game on 3 monitors at the same time.

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RON

on Aug 22, 2010

My office PC has two monitors. I’ve played games on it too but it seems like you are way too impressed with your new (yet another crazy) setup. I laughed hard when you said you were amazed when you were first the checking Eyefinity support. Because when I did, all I thought was God! what a way to make you buy more monitors! Lol. You said AIT is more problematic to setup than nVidia. How is setting up two graphics cards for 3 monitor is less problem than one graphics card? lol. With two graphics cards, won’t you have to increase the power supply and the cooling facilities? Though as far as I remember, my office PC has nVidia. I’m not sure how is it supporting two monitors. I need to ask the hardware guy about this DVI plugging.

5760x1080 is insane resolution. I would love to see you play an open world game or FPS on it.

What a timing! Coffe’s finished too.

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David_D

on Aug 22, 2010

It's really amazing... I'll be moved in by next week. Tongue out Does your sister have any cute single friends? I'm willing to share Tongue out

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BrunoBRS

on Aug 22, 2010

oh LOL fail, i didn't read you were using 3 screens... still sounds like overkill to me Tongue out

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kelaidis

on Aug 22, 2010

Your setup really makes me jealous, what monitors are you using?

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FetusZero

on Aug 22, 2010

@BrunoBRS @fishdalf

Bruno: Most PC games can easily exceed it (apart from really old ones), unlike console games that are limited to HDTV's resolutions, which do not go any higher than 1920x1080 at the moment. Otherwise you can use apps like Google Earth or Stellarium using all 3 monitors as one display. It also is quite useful for other stuff, such as video or image editing like stated in the blog, especially when you're someone who uses a lot of windows at the same time and so far, just from making these 2 videos, I can tell you that even if it would of been for video editing only, it's definitely worth it to me.

The highest resolution I've seen though is 12270x5160, which uses 24 monitors in a Quad GPU setup which then, I could agree with it being a waste lol, but until one experiences it, one cannot know how it feels to game in 5760x1080 ;p The increased field of view is definitely worth it, especially in terms of immersion.

Fishdalf: Thanks! At first I was wondering what the hell I was doing.. but then once it was setup and ready to run, I knew it was worth every penny spent. It sure eats up a lot of ressources though, but I can still run most games maxed out except Metro 2033, but I'd now take the added peripheral vision anytime over its maxed out settings.

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fishdalf

on Aug 21, 2010

My PC hardly runs point-and-click adventrues at the moment, ha. Wow, I would love a set up like that with those capabilities. Very nice blog mate, with a lot of effort being put in on your side, I'll feature this on the home page.

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BrunoBRS

on Aug 21, 2010

5000 pixels wide? isn't it a bit of a waste? i mean, what kind of thing uses any resolution bigger than 1920x1080?

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